tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post6050469543124236628..comments2023-02-23T05:27:24.072-06:00Comments on The All-Knowing Derbytron Roller Derby Rankings: Making WFTDA more like NCAA BasketballUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-91096895883414415332011-04-26T22:44:43.402-05:002011-04-26T22:44:43.402-05:00The best part of all this is not having the post s...The best part of all this is not having the post season decided by July 1, letting the entire regular season matter.Randynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-3934896345528087582010-12-14T12:41:13.846-06:002010-12-14T12:41:13.846-06:00@funkEpunkEmonkE
I like the idea of having the se...@funkEpunkEmonkE<br /><br />I like the idea of having the season broken up into specific segments (although, I would make the offseason longer) but I'm not sure your regular season plan would work.<br /><br />I don't know if there are much more than 40-50 teams that would be able to handle that schedule (maybe that's what you want?). Forcing teams to play 6 road games plus making at least 2 of those be a long distance away would be too hard for a lot of teams.<br /><br />The other thing is that I don't really understand how teams playing a random group of teams does anything to create a more cohesive regular season except put specifics on the number of games teams have to play. You can still put together a schedule that is really super weak and go 12-0 even if you're not that good and you could put together a super tough schedule and go 0-12 even though you might be a top 25 team. So, if record is meaningless and there's no separation between the top and bottom teams, I'm not really understanding how that's any better than what we have now.Derbytronhttp://allknowingderbytron.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-18563832089824937162010-12-14T11:15:14.754-06:002010-12-14T11:15:14.754-06:00I think you're completely right on 2 things:
1...I think you're completely right on 2 things:<br />1. there's isn't a structured regular season. <br />2. there's a growing competitive divide between the teams at the top and the teams at the bottom. <br /><br />Here's the season schedule I've worked:<br />Pre-season ie Spring Training (8 weeks, Jan-Feb): This needs to be a period of training to recover fitness levels, followed by friendly matches prior to the start of a regular travel team season. This serves conveniently to test player candidates and to practice teamwork under game conditions. <br /><br />Regular season (32 weeks, late Feb-August): The time when the bulk of games are played and use the results to seed a post-season playoff tournament. The travel teams play 6 games at home and 6 on the road, which determines their standings. Two of these games (one at home, one away) are against local teams (ie within 300 miles and similar skill level). Four games (two at home, two away) are against teams outside of the region. That works out to a game every other week for about 6 months.<br /><br />Post-season (8 weeks, Sept-Oct): Regionals (I agree on smaller regions) and Nationals<br /><br />Off-season (4 weeks, Nov-Dec): Upper management continues to work, but the athletes will take vacation time. Athletes stay in shape during the off-season in preparation for the next season.funkEpunkEmonkEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00452946129317673020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-64862466879812773902010-11-27T10:01:32.649-06:002010-11-27T10:01:32.649-06:00These were just quick examples I put together comp...These were just quick examples I put together completely based on geography. I didn't want to get into how exactly I thought the divisions should be formed because the post was already long enough and I hadn't put a ton of thought into that particular aspect.<br /><br />I do think that teams should form the divisions themselves, not the WFTDA. That would allow those teams to form alliances with other teams they have relationships with and teams they feel are on the same level with similar goals. Once the divisions are formed, I think the divisions have to have power to do certain things, just like how conferences in the NCAA have power to certain things like sign television contracts, create how the conference schedule will work, vote on whether certain teams should join the conference, etc.<br /><br />You would know more than me but when I was in the Toronto/Buffalo/upstate New York area for a couple weeks a while ago, people talked like they crossed the border all the time. I don't see what the issue would be in telling travel team skaters they need a passport. It's not like it's some ridiculous impossible process to get one (teams in Canada have to have passports to play in regionals).<br /><br />Blowouts are not something that should be avoided at all costs. Blowouts will happen. It's a fact of sports especially roller derby. If we pamper every team at the bottom of the rankings, they'll never get better, and they'll never be able to prove they're better because they'll never play anyone ranked higher than them. This isn't a way to defend my division examples (I don't know the geography/relationships/strengths of every single team and state), again, I just put the divisions together as an example, not as a blueprint for the WFTDA to use. But, I do think wayyyyyy too much is made of blowouts and avoiding blowouts. Blowouts happen when #1 seeds play #4 seeds in regionals now. There is just too much of a difference between the top to top-middle, top-middle to middle, middle to bottom-middle, bottom-middle to bottom in the rankings. Avoiding blowouts at all costs means avoiding playing games at all.Derbytronhttp://allknowingderbytron.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-22734408281359985342010-11-27T05:10:18.943-06:002010-11-27T05:10:18.943-06:00New England Division
* Connecticut
* Gree...New England Division<br /><br /> * Connecticut<br /> * Green Mountain<br /> * Maine<br /> * New Hampshire<br /> * Providence<br /> * Hudson Valley*<br /><br />Maine and Providence would likely slaughter the rest.<br /><br />Lake Ontario Division<br /><br /> * Central New York<br /> * Hammer City<br /> * Queen City<br /> * Tri City*<br /> * Toronto*<br /><br />Likewise, I'd probably give Queen City and Tri-City about 75-150 points over their opponents in the division. I'd hate to imagine how QCRG vs CNY or even QCRG vs Hammer City might go.<br /><br />By FORCING them to play together you are also forcing everyone to have EIDs or passports. The bulk of my league's travel team has 'em, but it's not doable for everyone.<br /><br />As bad as many interleague reps tend to get this stuff, I suspect that a WFTDA committee would probably wind up getting it even wronger. Take away freedom of choice about who teams play and you'll wind up with even worse blowouts than we have now.Grand Poobahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04498121319870703852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-68765834694481887612010-11-16T21:51:58.481-06:002010-11-16T21:51:58.481-06:00@JoeXJoe
Added. Thank you.
@Horatio
Valid argum...@JoeXJoe<br /><br />Added. Thank you.<br /><br />@Horatio<br /><br />Valid argument but I just used Salt Lake City as an example, if the two teams can't combine their efforts to host a regional then SLC isn't a valid playoffs host. That makes sense but there certainly seem to be a number of leagues that are willing to put money down to host regionals right now. I've got to think they're at least making most of their money back otherwise I don't know why anyone would want to do it (especially since some cities will be hosting for the 2nd time next year). I understand the Near No One Division probably doesn't make sense. I think the Hawaii and Alaska teams will probably have to remain independent because no one can afford to go out there but I didn't want to leave anyone out.<br /><br />@Mr Dragon Hugh Down<br /><br />Teams are already traveling long distances for regionals. Tampa Bay to Lincoln is pretty far. The teams put in each city based on their proximity so they already are kind of regional. I marked the teams in the mock tournament above that would be traveling further then they could for the current regional setup and it wasn't really that many. I don't think it's an issue especially with the ability for divisions to pool their money to pay for the champion's cost of travel.<br /><br />@The Original Donald<br /><br />I really like that idea but I'm not sure it's practical. Teams wouldn't have enough time to get venues figured out. It's one thing for colleges to do it because the majority of them own their arenas but very few roller derby leagues do. I doubt any derby leagues would be able to secure their normal venue with a week's notice unless it's a skating rink and even then I doubt many could.Derbytronhttp://allknowingderbytron.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-51405211594315974122010-11-16T19:41:58.418-06:002010-11-16T19:41:58.418-06:00personally I'd like regionals to be like the N...personally I'd like regionals to be like the NITs where they'd play @ the higher seed's rink until the regional final four, as it seems to me no one attends regionals as they currently are constituted.The Original Donaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17049894195779668913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-79732648739956135202010-11-16T17:52:03.324-06:002010-11-16T17:52:03.324-06:00I will say, this is very well thought out and argu...I will say, this is very well thought out and argued.<br />I love the idea of "March Madnessing" up the tournaments...<br />...but why couldn't the "regional" rounds be regional? Must teams have to travel such long distances? In college, there are many different, very successful ways to pay for travel. In derby, not so much.<br />Otherwise, I'm sold.Mr Dragon Hugh Downnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-66372081550518441322010-11-16T17:44:45.293-06:002010-11-16T17:44:45.293-06:00College club teams, like hockey and lacrosse, woul...College club teams, like hockey and lacrosse, would be a much better analogy. NCAA sports have a lot of money, relatively speaking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-67994784041370359882010-11-16T17:04:09.417-06:002010-11-16T17:04:09.417-06:00While I like that Utah is included in the "Ne...While I like that Utah is included in the "Near No One" Division... I'm not sure if it is practical.<br /><br />The biggest problem we run into here is the lack of funding--top to bottom--to put such a system in place. I don't feel like teams are well-enough capitalized to follow an NCAA approach at this level.<br /><br />Could we weight the tourney locations by the teams that are well-capialized and proximity to highest-ranked teams?<br /><br />I'd love to host a tourney in Salt Lake City, but I don't think it is practical for well-ranked teams to travel across the country just for a "regional" event.<br /><br />The other option would be to consolidate the regionals into larger groups to reduce travel time.<br /><br />Also, host leagues put in a LOT of money to put on these events. I fear that there just isn't enough money in Derby right now to put a system like this in place.Horatiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06250172400548759981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-79362872319410372422010-11-16T15:58:19.564-06:002010-11-16T15:58:19.564-06:00I think you left NEO off the list.
http://www.neo...I think you left NEO off the list.<br /><br />http://www.neorocknrollergirls.com/JoeXJoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11570931379270401982noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-16038971546700179902010-11-16T12:18:14.996-06:002010-11-16T12:18:14.996-06:00@Anonymous 11:53
All of the teams in the power di...@Anonymous 11:53<br /><br />All of the teams in the power divisions would have made the tournament this year with at-larges. It's a recipe that has made the NCAA Tournament the most exciting tournament in the US and possibly the world (excluding the World Cup). You just pointed out what makes the tournament so perfect as the reason not to do it. Try again.Derbytronhttp://allknowingderbytron.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-40797647994166282132010-11-16T11:53:55.022-06:002010-11-16T11:53:55.022-06:00Intentionally put top teams in one division, botto...Intentionally put top teams in one division, bottom teams in another, then both get an automatic berth in the championship? Hell to the no. Try again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-72078861392238411942010-11-16T11:10:37.289-06:002010-11-16T11:10:37.289-06:00@revnorb
Damn, I knew I would leave somebody out....@revnorb<br /><br />Damn, I knew I would leave somebody out. It's fixed, thanks.<br /><br />@Todd Bradley<br /><br />That is one of the differences between derby and college sports. College sports have set rosters and no in-season transfers. I don't mind how the WFTDA currently handles this although, if there isn't, there should be something about team members living within a certain proximity of their league.Derbytronhttp://allknowingderbytron.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-73621349976330673392010-11-16T10:07:08.678-06:002010-11-16T10:07:08.678-06:00You left WFTDA member Fox Cityz out of the Norther...You left WFTDA member Fox Cityz out of the Northerner Division. IT'S AN OUTRAGE, I TELL YOU!!!revnorbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3736639269195513523.post-79830696186265445252010-11-16T09:44:51.565-06:002010-11-16T09:44:51.565-06:00I know it's not the main topic of this post. B...I know it's not the main topic of this post. But to take your college basketball analogy a step farther, how would you deal with mid-season roster changes?Todd Bradleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06996922733283347058noreply@blogger.com